In the Basement

Cheryl in NY sent me the following email and photos:

"Hi

I was searching the web for info on a Tappan gas stove that was in the basement of my house (when the house was purchased) when I stumbled upon your website/blog. I don't even know if your doing this anymore, but I am going crazy trying to find someone out there that can help me.

The stove has been in my basement for 5 years now, and I got to thinking that it would look great in my kitchen, but I need to have it restored. In order to do this, I need to know the approx. year of it and who I would contact about restoration. I saw on your site you have helped some people with their questions, and I am hoping you can help me. I have attached pics of my stove - the model # is 6V 57 3 and the serial # is 40527. I haven't been able to find anything about this stove anywhere on the internet. I would also love to find a owner's manuel if possible!!

Thank you for any help you can provide, it would be greatly appreciated."

Cherly's stove is very similar to Angie's stove.  The "cove top" back splash usually indicates the 1940's.  The handles on the stove are a later 1940's version (if you look at some of the other 1940's posts, you can see the earlier handles),  Cheryl's stove also has that nice pull out cutlery drawer with dish towel drying rods.

As far as restoration companies.  There are many to choose from in the south.....but they are pricey.  I think most of the folks that stumble on my blog are doing the restoration themselves or piecing out specific parts of the restoration (e.g. reporcelain, rebuilding thermostats).  If you look through some of my older posts, you will find links to some of the resources out there.

The porcelain on this stove looks to be in very good condition (with the exception of that lower side panel - which may be hidden by cabinetry anyway).  One of my favorite tools to clean porcelain has been Clorox Magic Erasers.  They remove all kinds of gunk without scratching.  Ammonia water also works well.  If you click on the label "cleaning" on the right hand side of the blog, you will find other tips.  I usually suggest people start with giving their stove a good cleaning.....and then assess it's condition.  It's amazing how a good cleaning can put things in perspective.

Owner's Manuals regularly come up for sale on Ebay for under $10 including shipping. I have also posted (and will continue to do so) pages from various Owner's Manuals on Tappan Talk.

Any other tips for Cheryl?

















Thanks Cheryl for sharing your photos!

A New Tappan Deluxe Discovery

I received the following email from Jon in Illinois regarding his V665-9 Tappan Deluxe....

"I’ve been reading your Tappan blog site for about 2 hours now. Incredibly interesting.

Well, my wife and I bought a house on auction, and this stove was in the basement (gas still hooked up). Based on the model number, I don’t see reference to it anywhere. A lot of people on your blog reference similar numbers, but not this exact one; nor can I find anything on this exact model number anywhere else on the web. I can send a picture of the model number and serial number if it will help.

I’m wondering what is it’s value. After looking at your blog I now want to restore it and keep it (although it’s still in really good shape)."

Jon's stove is a CP model (meaning the oven has a standing pilot). It has a Telechron clock with an interesting twist of having the 3 1/2 Interval Timer. I've added a some info. about how this clock works at the end of the post.  His stove looks a lot like mine, but I notice the backsplash light is operated by a knob and not a pull chain which most likely would put it later than 1948. Jon's stove also looks like it has the "gold package" on the backsplash metal.

I spotted one other very interesting thing in  Jon's photos that we have not seen in any previous reader's stoves.  If you take a look at the photos showing the main control panel & thermostat knob, you will see a little white knob on the left side.  I *think* this is a pin for a removable oven door feature.  If this knob is what I think it is...there is another one on the other side in the same spot in the storage area.  When these are pulled out, the oven door supposedly lifts out for easy cleaning.  Hopefully, Jon will let us know.

To address Jon's comment about model numbers.  I have yet to figure out how the model numbers work on the Tappan Deluxe.  When looking for information about your stove, the only way I have been able to determine model year is to actually look at the features of the stove.  There are probably 100 reader's stoves featured on this blog, and I have yet to see identical model numbers between two Deluxe stoves.

Philgas Tappan De Luxe

Todd emailed photos of his Model 1746 Tappan. I'm guessing this is a 1946 Philgas model. I've learned, by looking through my 1940 and 1941 sales manuals, that in these early models the last two numbers of the model number indicate year. The 1700 series would have been one of the higher end models for that year.

The 1941 version of a stove that is most similar to Todd's stove was called the "De Luxe Model" and was described in the Philgas sales manual with the following:

"Flush-to-wall design. Divided Cove Top with center working space and built-in Tel-U-Set (Chromo-line edge lighted instrument panel with Visiminder, Visiguide and flood light). Toe-Cove base * Four Chromelite Vitamin-Saver top-burners-giant on left front, standard on right front, two Mighty-Mites at rear-all with new Flexo-Flame lock-type simmer valves. Chromelite reflector drip trays. Black porcelain enameled oval grates. Automatic top-burner lighting both sides * Insulated Visualite Flexo-Speed oven with automatic heat control and Sani-Clean chrome lining. Double Tuf-flex glass window. Electric lamp inside oven with exterior "peek" switch. Non.tilt, positive-stop, ribbon racks. Oven-doorstop. Concealed heat control dial and lock-type oven valve * Drawer broiler, smokeless type, with De Luxe Clean-Quick chromium pan and grid * Two utility compartments with trigger-touch door catches--adjustable wire-shelf in left, cutlery drawer and towel drying rack in right * Finished in white porcelain except white Nubelite body sides and black Ebonite base. De luxe Chromo-line hardware."

Todd, thanks for sharing the photos of your 1940's stove!

Thermostat Mystery

Connie and Tom sent me this email about their Tappan Deluxe...

"We are looking for an age for our Tappan Deluxe. HDV 64 -3 Serial number  254710.  My husband grabbed this almost 20 years ago  “free for taking”.  It is my prized possession…I absolutely love it!  We we’re so happy to find your blog…we have searched for years for info On these old stoves! Thanks for any input you can give us!"

The things I noticed about the stove: The model is a later version of the Deluxe...early 1950's. Probably '52 - '54. The broiler foot pedal was a later option. The stove has Telechron clock which is a little unusual for the later models which seems to have the time control clock. The clock also has chrome knobs...which is a nice feature :) It's also a little unusual for this model to be a non-CP (without a standing pilot). These later stoves seems to almost be made to order because there is so much variance in the features. The stove has those very nice chrome burner knob backs...those are special!

Connie and I exchanged a few emails about her oven not working properly. We originally discussed the possibility that their thermostat needed work, and then I received this update:

"Just wanted to let you know… I told you our Tappan oven was not working….not getting hot. We had the oven pulled out, so we took everything apart, Tom wanted To make sure that is was the oven control before we sent it away to be rebuilt. After taking the burners completely out and cleaning them, they did not work right either! If you got one burner lit, and lit another, the first one would go out! So Tom checked the gas line, low pressure! He went down and tried to light the hot water tank… It had low gas pressure. We called the gas company. Our meter was broke, they replaced it. While we have the “old girl” pulled out he is replacing the flexible gas line, then I should be BAKING Christmas cookies!!"

A good reminder to start with the basics when addressing stove problems. And, yes, I am that far behind in posting reader's stove pictures (those Christmas cookies she baked are long gone, I am sure).  Be patient, I have many more reader's stoves to share....





Connie and Tom - Thanks for sharing your photos and info.!

A Different Kind of Pilot Light

I have a treat for you today.  I am going to share string of emails I exchanged with Jeff, a Tappan Talk reader.  Jeff also shared some great pictures of his new stove and some of his restoration activity.  Take a look at the very unusual standing pilot system. Also, notice the nice shot of the foot pedal on the base of the stove that opens the broiler.

"Hi, I love your wonderful blog on the old Tappan stoves.

I found a Tappan Deluxe in [Iowa]. Last Saturday I rented a van and drove from [Wisconsin] to [Iowa] and picked it up. It was in a 1950's brick, ranch style house. It was being sold by the daughter of the original owners. She thought it was a 1952 model.
I spent all day Sunday cleaning it. I have to say, after working on old cars, radios and outboard motors looking under the hood of an old stove is very depressing. Lots of rust and grease. But no matter the stove is hooked up and working.

A few interesting details. The tag on the back of the stove has a date of July 8, 1954 and was apparently sold by The Peoples Gas Light and Coke Company in Chicago. This stove is a CP model but there is no standing pilot in the oven. Instead the oven uses the top right burner pilot and is described a single point ignition on the oven control panel. It has amber burner rings, gold details, simmer burners and pyro-grates. It does not have the chrome window trim however. It has one last test to pass. I need to see if the oven thermostat is working. Cross your fingers!"

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"Wow, that stove is excellent. I'm curious if the tag on the back is indicating that the gas company sold the stove....or the date they hooked it up & inspected it.  Very interesting. Also, the standing pilot configuration is something I have never seen before. Just when we think we have seen everything, I get en email with something new :) I was amazed at how much of the "rust" actually washed away on the parts under the top of my stove. Pull out the burners & wash them and it will give you an idea if the rest if surface or not. Also, anything that does not touch a flame, can be touched up with black high heat paint - looks good and also keeps the rust in check. Well, worth the drive to pick her up!!! Tappan Talk"

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"Hello, Thanks for all the work you do to post reader's stories and pics. Your site is very informative and helpful. Now that you mention it, I believe you are right that the tag was probably from the gas company that hooked up the stove. The house that the stove was in is for sale and I looked up the info about the house. It was built in 1957 so I think the daughter's parents must have either bought the stove used or lived someplace near Chicago when it was purchased new. I wrote her today and asked for more details so maybe the date can be nailed down with more certainty. Thanks! Jeff"

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"Well I crossed my fingers but the oven on my Tappan Deluxe from [Iowa] was not happy. My oven has a very complicated safety/ignitor called a Bryant Type JSP Range-Lyter. It controls gas through 6 connections and there are 3 pilots involved in running the oven!! I wish my stove had the simple "push the red button" type safety. I had to remove the safety and send it off [for] a rebuild at $195. I included a pic of the part. Jeff"

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"Too bad that your safety needs to be rebuilt, but I suppose we are lucky that there are still folks available to do it. Tappan Talk"

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"Hello again, Here are some before and after pics of my Tappan Deluxe from [Iowa]. The oven safety was rebuilt [and] the safety is working ok and the oven is baking pizza! I took the top off and cleaned up all the grease and dirt, removed the surface rust, treated it with Rust Reformer and painted it with high heat black paint. I did the same to the front brackets that hold down the top. I'm really glad to know that things are clean and the rust is under control! I removed the oven burner, burner spud and holder and cleaned out the oven. I repainted the spud holder and cleaned up the gas lines. Gallons and gallons of black water have gone down the drain. I ordered some teflon insulated wire from www.bulkwire.com and some ceramic wire nuts from McMaster Carr and my last project is to rewire the burner control back-lighting.

Wow what a project! As you might be able to tell from the pics, the stove just fits into the space. There are only fractions of an inch of wiggle room. I live in an apartment building built in 1916 [Wisconsin]. The counter tops and cupboards in my kitchen are pretty horrible but the stove is working!

I took the Visiminder works to a clock shop to be reassembled after I got in over my head LOL. I will give you an update on that soon."

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"Thanks for the update! I'm anxious to get to your stove, as the pilot arrangement is so unusual. I do have instructions on adjusting the oven burner spud, if you ever need them. TT"

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Jeff, thanks for sharing your great photos & restoration info!

A New York Tappan Deluxe

Sara in NY sent me the following email:

"Hi, Stuccohouse.

Here are the Craigslist pictures of my new beauty.  She's a CP, model AV 667 9E, and seems, to my untrained eye, to be in pretty good shape. I think now you can see why I believe she resembles Ron and Aiden's stove, but may be a tad newer because our respective stoves have different model numbers and because their stovetop light has a chain pull, which mine doesn't. I don't know where to find information regarding her actual age.

I'm only doing cleaning and other minor aesthetic tasks at present, but one thing I cannot do is figure out whether or not I can remove the chrome Logo/Clock/Timer/Roasting Temp. plaque (for lack of a better description) on the backsplash. It is very, very pitted and decidedly unattractive and if I could safely take it off someone somewhere might be able to restore it. Does anyone know if the thing is actually removable?"

Sara and I exchanged a few emails on starting to restore a "new to you" stove.  My advice: The easiest place to start is cleaning, if course.  The burners pull out. There are also drip drawers that are directly under the burners that pull out. Most people don't notice these, so they were rarely cleaned over the years. They are at the top of the side storage areas and just slide out for cleaning. Mine were disgusting, but cleaned up to look like new. I find those cleaning "miracle erasers" work really well for cleaning. Also, the bottom plates in the oven lift out for cleaning.

Can anyone answer Sara's question about removing the back splash trim? What do you think the model year is?









Sara, thanks for sharing pictures of your new purchase!

Porcelain

Another Twin Cities vintage stove owner sent me photos if their Tappan.  Cheri sent me this email:

"Hello - I just came upon your website. We have a Tappan Range, Model No. GVD 57 6.  We bought our 1947 home in 1980 (which came with the 1947 Tappan).  We have been using it ever since and love it!

I was wondering if you knew of anyone/any place in the Twin Cities area that repainted or restored outsides of stoves. The enamel is looking a little shabby and could use a little restoration." 

I sent Cheri the following links for reporcelaining.  I know these places all have worked on vintage stoves, but have not used them myself. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that has used them.

Gigi's Hollydale Appliances

Independence Porcelain Enamel

Custom Ceramic Coatings, Inc.











Thanks Cheri for the photos!